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Who created Hamas?

While running our display on Thursday, a common defence that Hamas apologists tried to give was that “Israel created Hamas!” Even if true, this is a ridiculous excuse, but I’m way too exhausted right now to get into that absurd argument. I just find it funny that two days after hearing that over and over again, I read an article from an Arab Hamas supporting news source that is claiming the exact opposite:

While various Western governments are struggling to define a possible relationship with the Palestinian movement Hamas, some progressive and leftist circles are also uneasy regarding their own perception of the Islamic movement.

Some have even made the claim that Hamas is, more or less, an Israeli concoction. In fact, the accusation that Hamas was created by Israeli intelligence has become so commonplace that it often requires no serious substantiation. While the claim, as it stands, is erroneous, there is certainly a reason and history behind it. But was Hamas, in fact the work of the Israeli Mossad?

The mere suggestion is consequential, for not only does it discredit one single faction, but implies that Palestinians are deceived into thinking that they actually have some control over their collective destiny. This notion – that Hamas is the brainchild of Israel – is simply incorrect.

(Read the rest here)

The truth to the terrorist supporters happens to be whatever is convenient at the given moment.

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12 Responses to “Who created Hamas?”

  1. Sivan says:

    Interesting. I have never heard that second claim before.

  2. Joanne says:

    I was told by a young Muslim woman this week that only a tiny minority of people actually voted for Hamas, so they can’t be held responsible for what Hamas does and, therefore, Israel has no right to retaliate against Hamas, since innocent non-voters are getting killed along with the Hamas fighters.

    I said, “The men of Gaza are putting their women and children in harm’s way! How is that Israel’s doing?”

    But all she and her friend could say was the standard, “It’s the same as the Holocaust! It’s ethnic cleansing!”

  3. The Highwayman says:

    “I said, “The men of Gaza are putting their women and children in harm’s way! How is that Israel’s doing?”

    The young Muslim woman was right, it is (and has always been) a tiny minority of troublemakers that are responsible for promoting the aggression on BOTH sides. Secret units under the control of globalist elitists commit acts of terror, then make it appear that it is a collective action by either side. That is why secret units exist… to perform covert acts of aggression to keep everyone in a constant state of unrest. Mossad, the CIA, MI5, the NSA… just a few examples, of note.

    Don’t believe me? Of course you don’t. That’s the way it was planned, and no ‘decent’ citizen would. Any dissenters are promptly vilified by an ignorant populace. But, try and ignore the fact that Osama Bin Laden was CIA-trained and outfitted, as well as various communist factions were also trained by western forces prior to the Vietnam war.

    There is money to be made in war – and power to be attained – in cooperation with an agenda that is too complex to go into here, especially with the level of ignorance the public has toward how international intrigue is played out. The goal is an eventual world-wide dictatorship, controlled by a wealthy power-elite, itself, controlled by a religio-political oligarchy. I’m being very general, but, as I said, the level of programming is too deep in the minds of the public to allow much else. Prejudice is a powerful tool of the elitists, and they wield it most effectively. That’s why we have the level of hostility we have in the world, and why it is so successful with public support behind it.

    I say to you, now, that you’d best get used to scenes like that in the video, because it’s going to get a lot worse. The Zionist (not Jews in general – Zionism is a religio-political movement that comprises many groups, non-Jews as well) forces will never allow peace, and should peace come about, there will assuredly be another ‘incident’ to fan hostilities to life, again. Peace is not what the oligarchs want, and, right now, it’s open season on Islam. Why? Because, Islam is probably the greatest opponent that the oligarchs have, right now, seeing as the rest of the world is so snookered into breathing and spouting their fascist rhetoric.

    I could say a lot more, but my comments are generally unwelcome anywhere I post them. Nevertheless, the truth is out there, and anyone that wants the truth can find it, IF they can overcome their predilection for pleasing their peers, and put aside their misconception of ‘reality’.

    There is a time of trouble coming that will make scenes like this… well… let me put it this way, you’ll be longing for these days, again!

  4. The Highwayman says:

    One thing I didn’t make clear, and I should, is that I’m not offering any hope that there will be peace, because there won’t be. You (the public) have allowed things to go badly for too long, and the elitists now have the upper hand. They are much smarter than you, (the collective public) and cannot be trounced now, certainly by any human means.

    All one can do is prepare, mentally, for what has to come. I’m assuming, of course, your statement that you’re Jewish isn’t just an homogeneous declaration of some affiliative belief, and is a genuine faith you have. I, myself, believe in the power of God to one day reestablish His rule on a new Earth, as is written in Revelation 21. Humanity never had a chance, apart from Him, and I think anyone with a clear head would admit that society is not becoming anything close to what the futurists or humanists envisioned for us.

    I am but a sojourner in a strange land, and this should be every Christian’s (and Jew’s) attitude IF they claim to serve the Almighty. There isn’t any other hope, and I’ve looked for it, believe me.

    You started this blog out of frustration that your world isn’t what you think it should be, and, now, I’m telling you why it is the way it is, and why it will never be any different. The world that you think you want is impossible and unattainable. This will, one day, all pass away, and those that have placed their hopes with it will follow it into extinction.

    Remember these words, even should you choose to delete them. You got the answer you were looking for. Whether it was the one you wanted, is highly dubious, but, it is the answer. I’ll pass this way again, and if there’s no comments posted, then I’ll have MY answer.

    🙂

  5. The Highwayman says:

    “World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse string.”(Denis Healey, former British Secretary of Defence.)

    “Political Zionism is an agency of Big Business. It is being used by Jewish and Christian financiers in this country and Great Britain, to make Jews believe that Palestine will be ruled by a descendant of King David who will ultimately rule the world. What delusion! It will lead to war between Arabs and Jews and eventually to war between Muslims and non-Muslims. That will be the turning point of history.” (Henry H. Klein, “A Jew Warns Jews,” 1947)

    “There have of old been Jews of two descriptions, so different as to be like two different races. There were Jews who saw God and proclaimed His law, and those who worshiped the golden calf and yearned for the flesh-pots of Egypt; there were Jews who followed Jesus and those who crucified Him…” –Mme Z.A. Rogozin (“Russian Jews and Gentiles,” 1881)

    Truth IS out there, but, nowadays, one really must dig for it. Society has been subjected to a level of programming that makes it nearly impossible to relate anything that speaks against the status quo. Today, it is quite fashionable, even required, of Christians to acknowledge Israel (corporate) as the chosen vehicle for salvation, and any dissent is branded as antisemitism. However, Zionism must never be confused with Judaism, although the latter will never be relevant without Christianity to compliment and complete it. Indeed, the two go together, outlining the history of God’s working with humanity.

  6. Erez says:

    Highwayman, you claim that mikecg’s goals and ambitions of clarity and world peace are unatainable, and that we should just get used to it. I’m surprised to hear this from a person that also claims of faith in G-d. You see, a person that has true faith in Gd, knows that nothing that they do is possible without Gds desire and help. If Gd didn’t want you to have breakfast, could you? Once we can appreciate that nothing we do is due to our own capabilities and realize the true cause of our sucesses, it would be heretical to say that anything is impossible, even world peace, because that would essentially be saying that Gd couldn’t make world peace if He wanted to (infinite= can do anything). Since we know that Gd loves every last one of his children, it is obvious that Gd wants world peace just as a father wants peace amongst his family. Gd Just wants us to want it as bad as Him, and then there’ll be world peace just like that. It’s nothing for Him. We need more people in the world like mikecg trying to bring clarity to this dark world, because as soon as we get it, Gd will do all the work, like He always does. Don’t make the mistake of thinking Gd doesn’t want our effort, that’s how lazy people make rationalizations.

  7. The Highwayman says:

    I never said that peace is unattainable, only through man’s efforts, alone, is it unattainable. God will, indeed, usher in a new era of peace, as it is written throughout scripture. There is no evidence anywhere in the Bible of any cooperation with man in attaining this peace, but in spite of man. God’s followers cooperate by spreading the word of what God intends to do, that is about the extent of our involvement.

    You’re forgetting, Erez, that God never coerces anyone to follow Him, or obey Him. There will, according to scripture, be a vast majority opposing Him in the end of days, hence the plagues and judgment scenes prevalent in the book of Revelation. Man does not naturally adhere to God or His will. This is accomplished through the ministry of the third member of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit. The Spirit draws all who wish to be with God, to Him.

    The finishing scenes of Earth’s history, according to the Bible, will be violent ones, on a global and catastrophic scale. Anyone thinking that there will be any kind of peace this side of Christ’s third advent, (after the millenium) is in for disappointment. It is heretical to teach that man can ever come to any kind of universal peace when you have the testimony of scripture saying the opposite.

    Indeed… anyone that has lived for any significant time on this planet, would have a hard time keeping a straight face in light of such claims, given the nature and track record of our race.

  8. Erez says:

    Highwayman,
    “I never said that peace is unattainable, only through man’s efforts, alone, is it unattainable.”
    -There is no such thing as man’s efforts alone, man can do NOTHING without the help of Gd. So why not ask Gd to give us the best, why settle?
    “There is no evidence anywhere in the Bible of any cooperation with man in attaining this peace, but in spite of man. God’s followers cooperate by spreading the word of what God intends to do, that is about the extent of our involvement.”
    -Ever heard of Massiah? seems to be man’s involvement in bringing about the end of days.
    But even if you think that Massiah is Gd himself, which I’m guessing you do, there are numerous accounts in scripture as to OUR responsibility in bringing peace to the world. For example, “And I Will Establish you as a Covenant of the people, for a Light unto the nations.” – Isaiah 42:6
    “Nations shall then go by your Light and kings by your radiant illumination.” Isaiah 60:3
    There are many more examples of our responsibility to change the nature of mankind to bring peace, but you are an expert in scripture, so I’m sure you know them well. We have been challenged with a difficult task. A task so large it can only be completed when one appreciates that he cannot accomplish anything by himself, but with the help of Gd, of course it is possible! Not only possible, it is our responsibility as dictated in the Bible.
    “It is heretical to teach that man can ever come to any kind of universal peace when you have the testimony of scripture saying the opposite.”
    -If a person sits down to try and read the Bible, they will find that they need tools in order to properly understand what’s going on. Sentences contradict each other, commandments aren’t explained, etc. One such tool is how to understand prophecy. Judaism teaches that all “good” prophecy will eventually come true. When? That depends on our actions — we can either hasten or delay the Big Day depending on how we behave. “Bad” prophecy, on the other hand, is a warning. It’s God’s way of telling us to get our act together or else. So while the prophecies you mention are a possible way for the end of days to arrive, it is not ideal. As the title of this blog puts it, the ideal way is for mankind to take responsibility and spread the light. So no, it is not heretical to propose an alternate future than that prophecy, if you know how to understand prophecies given in the Bible. I hope you get on board, we could use more people fighting for what’s good in this world, not sitting back and putting our free will to waste.

  9. The Highwayman says:

    While there were, indeed, many conditional prophecies made in scripture, (Jonah and Nineveh, for one) there were also those that were not, as in the Noachian Flood. Arguably, one might say that if Adam had listened to God, there never would have been a fall or the resultant sinful world that we have, today. So, in those respects, yes, you’re right, but reality is that man does not hearken to God, and that the natural course is toward destruction, and God (Christ) will have to establish His kingdom upon this Earth as foretold in Revelation 21.

    One needs to be careful that they do not negate any usefulness the scriptures have for the common man, in that many, as you are intimating, believe that only scholars can interpret scripture properly. If the Bible cannot be understood, under inspiration by the Holy Spirit, by the common man, then it’s useless. Remember, Bibles were kept chained to pulpits throughout the Middle Ages, their use and interpretation reserved solely for the priests and scholars.

    Man’s only involvement in bringing about the events foretold in the end of days is his steadfast disobedience and willful opposition toward God, just as the prophecies of Moses declared against Pharaoh came to pass unerringly and assuredly. Sin cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely, and what you are proposing is some kind of consensus between man and God where there is no eventual glorification or perfection of humanity, but that man goes on in a sinful state, thereby perpetuating that which God has already condemned since Eden. Man was tossed out of paradise to avoid the possibility of an immortal sinner.

    Man cannot change his own nature. Can a leopard change it’s spots? If man could effect some change in his character on his own, what would be the need for God? This sounds like Humanism 101, effectively Godlessness 101. It’s a prominent feature in today’s religion that man must do something to effect his own salvation. Christ paid the debt owed, and there is a process of sanctification (by the Spirit) that prepares one for eventual glorification. Man’s duty in all of this is to receive Christ’s gift of redemption and tell others of the fact. Yes, if everyone were to lay down their swords and follow the Decalogue, there would be peace, but I think we both know that isn’t going to happen. There are too many espousing your view that man needs to do something to save himself.

    I don’t agree with your assertion that scripture contradicts itself. Context is important, and there is even room for common sense. Parables are often mistook for real-life events and prophetic utterances, but there are no inconsistencies. That would be calling God arbitrary, and He isn’t. He changes not. Man, however, vacillates at will, and frequently.

    The fact that I’m here relating what I know, and conversing with you, demonstrates that I don’t subscribe to the sit-and-do-nothing scenario that you are accusing me of adopting. I know there is work needing done, and I’m doing just that. I also know that there is an eventual end coming to the reign of sin, and that God is going to handle that on His own. Your paradigm calls for the same ambiguity that modernism and humanism teaches… that MAYBE man can overcome and override his current predicament on his own, and evolve to some higher state. Either way, God is pushed aside in the process.

    There is an appointed time for everything, ultimately. God, alone, knows the time when He will return, and that time is fixed. That tells me that man can do little, in this instance, to hasten or retard that event. I suppose that we all could commit suicide, or threaten to, and that might ‘make’ God do something. Like the previous scenario of everyone suddenly declaring peace and laying down their arms, I don’t see that happening! However, even if it were possible, then that time would have been anticipated and ‘fixed’ long ago in the all-seeing mind of God.

    God IS telling us to get our act together… to receive Christ’s gift of pardon and the gift of sanctification by the Spirit. Those will guarantee the change of character you think that man can do for himself. Man’s character must change, so that he can survive in the universe that God made. Originally, man was created perfect, but with a free will to disobey if he so chose. All that God is doing is restoring man to his original sinless state, but it is a process, and man cannot do it by himself, nor even think about doing it by himself without the Spirit’s prompting.

    I’m fighting to reveal God’s plan for humanity, and to give hope where hope is fast disappearing. The hope that man can somehow save his own figurative ass is Hopelessness 101. He’s had millennia to do it, and it only gets worse with time. Adam, (man) originally, trusted God, wanting for nothing. That is to be, once again.

    I hope YOU will get on board and help spread the word. Believe me, that will, in the not-so-distant future, require a force of will significant in and of itself!

  10. Erez says:

    “So, in those respects, yes, you’re right, but reality is that man does not hearken to God, and that the natural course is toward destruction, and God (Christ) will have to establish His kingdom upon this Earth as foretold in Revelation 21.”
    -You just agreed that a bad prophecy is a warning that is not necessarily true, so it doesn’t HAVE to be. it’s up to us. If you don’t think with Gd’s help that we can change our nature, than I’m very sorry to say that we don’t believe in the same Gd. (Did you not learn from Jonah? All we need is a Jonah – who interestingly enough declined his mission at first and just wanted to believe in Gd – to wake the rest of us up.)
    “If the Bible cannot be understood, under inspiration by the Holy Spirit, by the common man, then it’s useless. ”
    -That’s just crazy. What your saying is that the Bible’s truth is relative to whoever reads it, and there is no system by which to understand what it is saying. If that was so, why does the verse say “According to the terms of the law which they teach you, and according to the verdict which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. “(Deut 17:11) If you do whatever you think the Bible is telling you, your violating a big one.
    “Sin cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely, and what you are proposing is some kind of consensus between man and God where there is no eventual glorification or perfection of humanity, but that man goes on in a sinful state, thereby perpetuating that which God has already condemned since Eden.”
    -I don’t know how you got that from what I said. While it’s true the ideal way to bring about peace is through man’s free will decision to bring peace, that would not mean that mankind remains able to sin at that point. However the end of days plays out, everyone will know what’s right and wrong very clearly, (like Adam). Why would it matter if this era is brought about by our decision to bring it??
    “Man cannot change his own nature. Can a leopard change it’s spots?”
    -If Gd wanted to change a leopard’s spots, could He? If Gd wanted to change man’s nature could He? Of course Gd wants us to change back to the way Adam was, He just wants us to want it too. But believing in something is not the same as wanting something, wanting requires action. I want to be a doctor, so I’m going to believe really hard that i will be a doctor. Pretty foolish, no? You have to make the effort. Does Gd not want people to be healthy in this world? Why would He make me think I’m doing the work by going to school for so long? Same thing goes with end of days. Gd wants world peace, He just wants to make sure we WANT it, not just believe it. Just like a human father, Gd wants us to get as much pleasure in our creation as possible, and what pleasure could be more powerful than thinking that we’re doing the Almighty’s will, his messenger so to speak.
    “Yes, if everyone were to lay down their swords and follow the Decalogue, there would be peace, but I think we both know that isn’t going to happen.”
    -Again, if you’ve agreed that bad prophecy is a warning, than you limit Gd’s abilities by saying something cannot happen. If there was one person who wanted peace badly enough, than Gd would help him get everyone else on board. Gd can do it, he just needs to see effort from down below. I have no idea what is going to happen, because I’m no prophet, all I’m saying is that I’m not willing to lay down because of a possible outcome, that is not guaranteed anywhere.
    “I don’t agree with your assertion that scripture contradicts itself. ”
    -While the scripture’s messages never contradict themselves, the plain meaning of the verses do on almost every page. Which is why you need a system to understand what’s going on. For example, Exodus 12:40 states “The habitation of the Children of Israel during which they dwelled in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.”
    This verse clearly contradicts Exodus 6:18-20 which states that Kohath lived 133 years and Amram lived 137 years. Kohath came to Egypt with Jacob (Genesis 46:11). Moses, the son of Amram, died at the age of 120 (Deut. 34:7), which was 40 years after the Exodus, making Moses 80 years old at the time of Exodus. Therefore the Egyptian exile could not have lasted more than 350 years. (In fact, according to the Talmudic tradition, it lasted only 210 years.) How do you reconcile with no system of reconciliation? Gd is not arbitrary, nor is the Bible. You just have to know how to understand the message that Gd is relating. On the contrary, with no system of reconciliation, each person comes to their own conclusions. NOW THAT is arbitrary and relative, and not Gd like.
    “that MAYBE man can overcome and override his current predicament on his own, and evolve to some higher state. Either way, God is pushed aside in the process.”
    -You really have to start listening to my message, I’m not going to repeat it many more times to you. The only way for man to achieve the process of world peace is to realize that his actions alone are useless without the help of Gd. If you push Gd aside, everything is impossible. However if you include Gd, and realize that everything you do is only because of Gd, than its not a ‘maybe’ that man can reach this state, its guaranteed. Gd can do ANYTHING. Either way, Gd is NOT pushed aside in the process, he is more involved. If you think this task is too daunting for man to complete with the help of Gd, than you think that it is due to your own efforts that you are able to eat cereal in the morning. This is totally false, it is only through Gd’s help. Once you realize that it is only Gd who is eating your cereal for you, you will realize that it will be Gd who will create world peace through you. Its not any harder for Gd.

    Even if it were true that the time of world peace is fixed, which i disagree with, why should it make a difference how it arrives at that time? Gd knows how it will come, be it through the devastating scenario that you think is inevitable, or through man’s bringing about that era, Gd knows when it will be. Its not like Gd can only predict the future when the future is based on His actions. He can do so just the same based on our actions. I’m not sure i get your point here.
    “Those will guarantee the change of character you think that man can do for himself.”
    -Again, never said man could do anything by himself. In fact i remember saying that there is no such thing as ‘man by himself’. I agree totally that the only way to change our nature and characters is by letting Gd change that for us. I just think it is a lazy man’s rationalization to say that all Gd wants me to do is believe and He will do the rest. Gd wants our belief, but he wants our action so much more. Do you have any idea why Abraham was selected as the father of Gd’s chosen people? I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t because he believed. There were many counts of people that believed in Gd before Abraham. Abraham was set aside because of his actions. He was called the Ivri, which translates to the one who crossed over. He didn’t just believe in Gd, he took the next step by crossing over to Gd’s side through action.
    You claim that any attempt to bring about a happy ending is hopelessness. In my opinion that is totally heretical. You don’t believe that Gd could allow us to play the role of savior? Even after he charged us to do this multiple times in the Bible? Remember that light unto the nations quote which you forgot to address? It is clear what our task is, and just thinking about world peace is not wanting it, I’m sorry.

  11. The Highwayman says:

    Statements like “-That’s just crazy.”… and “-You really have to start listening to my message, I’m not going to repeat it many more times to you.”, and “… totally heretical.”, don’t endear you to me, Erez. Think about this… I don’t have to talk to you, at all. Is that clear enough for you? I don’t remember ever approaching you for anything, or your advice or opinion. Something you can think about.

    I think we’re dancing around the same hat, here. You’re still thinking that I’m advocating total inaction. I see preaching the good news as something very proactive… you obviously don’t. Well, I can’t change that. It’s a non-issue, with me.

    I’m not an expert on Hebrew history, but I’m told that the Hebrew chronology isn’t reckoned the same as western. Noah is said to have been in his 600th year at the time of the flood, but some think he was younger. I’ll take 600, the same as 400. They’re nice round figures, and they illustrate a greater point, both of them. You like to dwell on minutiae, like many scholars. Practical Godliness escapes many of them, though.

    I’ll give your last comment more consideration, and comment later. I’m on the road all week, and have to deal with the real world in a very ‘proactive’ way, day-in and day-out. Just so you know that I’m not forgetting you, or side-stepping.

    I’m just tired, tonight.

    Later…

  12. The Highwayman says:

    Erez, you keep going on about semantics, and that action is needed to verify faith, well, I don’t know where you ever read anything different into anything I’ve said up to now. Faith was a signatory component in any of those that were pleasing to God, and they backed it up in some form of overt expression. I’ve never said that works are not a necessary part of any religion, all I’m saying is that man cannot trump anything the Almighty does by simply deciding that it need not be. There are some things literally written in stone, and man, no matter how determined he is, won’t change that.

    You are writing off prophecy as something totally dependent upon human action or reaction. The Trinity have their own purposes, and though some actions are the result of some compensatory program on the part of God in His dealings with man, His overall plan of dealing with the sin problem cannot be abrogated or modified by any mortal created being.

    Abraham believed God, and that was credited to him as righteousness, the same as all who followed after, and before. By faith, Enoch “walked” with God, until he was taken. David was “a man after God’s own heart”, treacherous murderer and adulterer though he was. God created this world entirely without the input or cooperation of man, and He goes on creating without our input and/or cooperation. There are matters quite beyond the understanding of man; such as sin, and it’s effect upon human nature, that need divine intervention – indeed, the sick, after some point, cannot help themselves, they need outside assistance.

    I’m not going to be drawn into an argument on semantics, Erez. You’re playing with words, whereas I’m dealing with a fundamental issue, which is that this world is under the control of people devoted to the service of Satan. He is the king of this world, by consensus of the ignorant masses, and by God’s own declaration. God will remove him; again, without human help, and re-establish His rule upon an Earth made new. THAT is scriptural, and YOU or ANYONE will not change that. That prophecy, like the one with Jonah and Ninevah, will come to pass. That city repented, for a time, but soon went back to their old ways, and they perished for it. The prophecy was fulfilled.

    Sodom was spared, for a time, by Abraham’s pleadings with God, but was eventually destroyed, because God said that He would destroy it, and that assertion was based upon what God knew would come to pass. They just couldn’t stop doing what they did best… sinning, and sinning perversely. Nevertheless, as I’ve already tried to point out, there are prophecies that go beyond the bounds of any human influence. The entire Bible is a prophetic declaration that mankind will, someday, be restored… corporeally and spiritually. There is nothing that you can do to influence that outcome.

    There is, however, a hell to shun, and there are many headed for perdition. The message needs to get out that there is only salvation with God, and not in the works of man. Vain arguments and speculation isn’t getting the work done, and can hardly qualify as works in any sense.

    This Earth (current paradigm) is DOOMED, Erez, and there is nothing you can do to change that! You can ‘work’ all you like to ‘help’ God… you need to help your fellow man by warning him about the coming, INEVITABLE crisis. That is where your works are, and not in trying to assist the Almighty in doing something that you’re not qualified or able to do.

    I don’t need anyone explaining to me what my work is, so don’t feel you have to strive long with me, or “repeat many more times” anything to me. I wouldn’t want to burden you any more than I have.

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